Time’s Running Out to Have Your Say – For Freedom

This is a defining moment in Australia’s history. The outcome of this postal survey will echo through generations to come.

As former Prime Minister, John Howard, and Paul Kelly, editor-in-chief of The Australian, have said: The idea that you can change the understanding of something as fundamental as marriage without changing anything else is an “intellectual fraud”.

What those changes will mean for us and for future generations is yet to be revealed by the ‘Yes’ campaign. They’ve been mysteriously quiet about that.

So, the onus is on you and I to do our due diligence.

Common sense says that if we’re going to amend a foundational building block of our society, we should take a look at other countries where the amendment has been in effect for a while and research exactly what has changed.

It turns out quite a bit has changed in every country where same-sex marriage has been legalised.

From fining conscientious objectors, to implementing radical sexuality education so all children understand that gender is now irrelevant and interchangeable; removing terms like ‘husband’ and ‘wife,’ ‘mother’ and ‘father’ from legal documents and shutting down freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of religion.

These changes are all kind of a big deal. They are the elephant in the room that the ‘Yes’ campaign has refused to acknowledge or address. Why do you think that is?

The last day for the ABS to receive your survey form is Tuesday, November 7. So given the reply paid envelope has a priority stamp on it, it could arrive on time if you post it by Friday, 3 November. However, if you haven’t already posted your form, the safest way to ensure it arrives on time is to hand deliver it to one of the ABS ‘drop off’ locations around Australia, if one is handy to you. You can see the full list here: https://marriagesurvey.abs.gov.au/pickup-locations

This survey is too important to leave blank. Make sure your voice is heard, before it’s too late.

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15 Responses

  1. mikel

    I was reading about the differences between complementary and complimentary.
    (Thanks to the conversation in a recent thread on this site, “The New Normal”)

    “The adjective complementary (with an e in the second syllable) means serving to complete or supplying mutual needs.
    The adjective complimentary (with an i in the second syllable) means flattering or favorable or given free as a courtesy.”

    It occurred to me that it is plain to see right there that same sex marriage is a complimentary marriage (given free as a courtesy),
    compared to opposite sex marriage wich is complementary (serving to complete).

    There are no blurred lines about who you can marry to complete a union,
    and who you can hook up with to compliment your existence.

    There is a distinct difference.

    • Michael

      Mikel,
      Thanks for your comment about “hooking up to compliment your own existence.” The LGBTIQA+ dictators want to compliment their reprobate ideas of sexuality by creating a society in which there will be no restraint on sexual behaviour. Former Catholic priest turned LGBTIQA+ activist Julian Punch wrote in a Mercury article last year (October 21, 2016), “sexual abstinence causes great harm”. Given that two men or two women cannot have natural sex (sexual intercourse) with each other, the ‘harmful’ abstinence Mr Punch means, is abstinence from anal/oral sex (sodomy), fake genitals, rimming, fisting, sado-masochism, etc. If abstinence is harmful, schools have a duty to minimise harm by teaching and encouraging children (whom they believe are sexual beings from birth) to hook up with someone (or some thing), and compliment their existence by engaging in sexual activity, acting out the sexual fantasies implanted in their minds by their teachers.

      From the article:–

      we should take a look at other countries where “same-sex marriage” has been in effect for a while…

      One AMF contributor has described how her 11-year-old daughter was exposed with homosexual pornography when researching “same-sex marriage – for and against”. The presentation of the pornography was designed to bypass all parental/security controls. Legalising “same-sex marriage” provides a legal, cultural, and educational justification for “educational pornography”, as the LGBTIQA+ fake scientific paradigm requires all sexual behaviour to be seen as equally healthy, natural and moral. As documented by MassResistance, U.S. school web portals and school library research databases include graphic and explicit hardcore pornography, designed to be easily accessible by children when doing their homework and assignments. LGBTIQA+ activists, who choose to be incapable of natural reproduction, have absolutely no right to dictate the education of other people’s children.

      • Michael,

        Unfortunately, the public same-sex marriage debate enters the school which my 3 children have discussed with their friends. Recently, my 11 year old daughter comes home from an Anglican girls’ grammar school and informs me that some girls have YES stickers on their bag, and then at dinner time she asks me how do girls have sex together? I don’t want to bring up both of my daughter’s dinner but I think, “How on earth did a school environment lead to acceptance of deviant sexual behaviours and practices. The next step after children have accepted homosexual behaviours will be for children to learn it is natural to get paid for these services in order to accept prostitution.”

        • Michael

          Janine,
          So much for the LGBTIQA+ lies that “it won’t affect you”, when they invade your home, your dinner table, and your children’s minds like this. The LGBTIQA+ dictators have lied from the beginning, with their line “what consenting adults do together in no-one else’s business.” Their actions show they clearly believe it’s everyone’s business, and they think they have the right to bring it up (quite literally) at your dinner table.

          It’s just ridiculous, as a school wouldn’t be teaching deviant breathing practises to children as normal and healthy. No teacher would be allowed to hand out e-cigarettes, and tell children they’re the “safer option” as they can’t cause lung cancer.

          The LGBTIQA+ party have already had a victory in the survey, by being able to choose the question, so they could take ownership of the word Yes. Had the question been, Do you want the Australian Marriage Act to remain as it is, we would have had the word Yes, and the LGBTIQA+ party would have had to campaign with the word No.

          My most vivid memory of being 11 years old is doing endless long division. Maybe I was vaguely aware of where babies come from, but it didn’t really mean anything to me at that stage, and I certainly would never have asked my parents about it at all, let alone during tea. The answer to your daughter’s question is in Romans 1:26, but I don’t think I was able to read that with any understanding until I was 18 or so.

          Until recently, Christian schools saw themselves as subordinate to parents, assisting them in raising their children with educational and moral values based on the Bible, and helping parents to protect their children from corrupt, sinful morality. Now, Christian schools see themselves as superior to parents, whose old-fashioned moral beliefs hinder children from exploring their sexuality.

          To summarise Christian education:–
          * Before, the Bible was timeless; now it’s antiquated;
          * Before, gender was a fact; now it’s a feeling;
          * Before, girls watched football; now they play it;
          * Before, there was critical thinking; now there’s a critical need for thinking;
          * Before, there was doctrine; now there’s indoctrination;
          * Before, there was mathematics; now there’s masturbation;
          * Before, there were teachers; now there are educators;
          * Before, principals had principles; now they have guidelines;
          * Before, there were priests; now there are priestesses.

          The Anglican church began to go off the rails when they junked the Book of Common Prayer, and ordained priestesses. If the Anglican church thinks gender is irrelevant to being a priest, it’s surely irrelevant to being a husband. Eve sinned because she was deceived, but Adam chose to sin, because he wanted to please her rather than God. And then he turned around and blamed her before God for making him do it!

          Perhaps a school environment is able to lend itself to teaching deviant, unhealthy, and immoral behaviour, because grouping children in age-segregated herds isn’t a natural human behavioural practise.

          Prostitution is now a career option, with one “sex worker” writing to the Mercury, saying what a good independent living and flexible work hours it made for raising her children, as well as providing a valuable community service helping “lonely gentlemen” relieve the stress caused by their employment and relationship problems. I’m surprised this person hasn’t yet been invited to a school careers expo.

          Sex workers see themselves as a one-stop shop for performing healthcare, psychological services, counselling, and stress relief. The next step after normalising prostitution, is to normalise assisted dying as a form of permanent stress relief. If “love is love”, there’s no difference between the viewing of a naked body by a sex worker, and the viewing of a naked corpse by a police officer or undertaker. ‘Cuffers’ can then be ‘snuffers’.

          Just as “gay theology” tries to falsify the Bible’s teaching on homosexuality, “sex work theology” will do likewise with its teaching on prostitution. No doubt they’ll try to rewrite Ezekiel 23 to present Oholah (Samaria) and Oholibah (Jerusalem) in a positive light, while retaining the explicit description in this chapter into some kind of insctrution manual.

          As for Catholic schools, in Tasmania, Archbishop Julian Porteous has announced the Matrimonium Project, whose aim is to continue teaching the truth about marriage and family in Catholic schools, regardless of the survey result. I am deeply concerned, wondering what is being taught in the Catholic school I attended for 11 years, as the current principal is the sister of Bob Brown’s ‘partner’. The partner has been pictured in local media, participating in various school events.

          • Michael,

            Thank you for so many of your comments on this site and I am glad you didn’t remain silent on this dangerous idea that “marriage is between any 2 people.” If the Australian government changes the Marriage Act to include the sexuality and gender theories because they want to punish these dangerous ideas in a no fault divorce then I can leave the courts to do their job. A “personhood marriage,” “cuffing marriage,” “harlot marriage,” “bachelor marriage,” same-sex marriage” and “open marriage” are all created by a paper marriage for a public wedding ceremony. These are all genderless, non-discriminative, non-procreative and non-exclusive sexual relationships. These person-cantered marriages are like the state regulated legal prostitution practice as sex workers are registered in order to protect the public from the spread of STDs especially drug-resistant STDs throughout society, and this leads to infertility and a shorten life-cycle. However, the Australian law no longer detects, prevents nor criminalises the harm of adultery or the breaking of a marriage contract by punishing harmful behaviour/s in a legal divorce. Therefore, a “one flesh” marriage can easily separate from a deregulated civil registered marriage practice because the marriage laws aren’t supporting nor protecting it from harm. I don’t want a marital status such as “civil registered marriage,” nor access to a legal no fault divorce nor any government welfare benefits for a persons’ identity status. My family, and extended family won’t be defending, supporting nor protecting a deregulated civil registered marriage practice. A “Harlot marriage” business exposes the misleading and dishonest ideas of the sexuality and gender theories as it accepts all sexualities and genders as a sex worker or their clients. Sex workers and their clients can have children but the majority of Australians would never believe that a “Harlot marriage” is a genuine marriage. However, “marriage equality” means sex workers and their clients have a human right to the legal status of “civil registered marriage.” However, there would be massive resistance from churches, community, government, media and business against a forced acceptance of a legal prostitution practice to be included in health, welfare, schools and legal services.

            Imagine there were some Australians telling people they were missing out on a civil right of $40 per week for good behaviour in a Victorian detention centre or a civil right to a free meal of their choice prior to the death penalty in America. Would a person be crazy enough to petition governments to allow them a civil right to these benefits despite that laws have always been about preventing, detecting or criminalising harmful behaviours and practices in order to protect the public and society from harm. These two examples both showed examples of exclusive benefits for prisoners but the purpose of the law was about the punishment (detention and death penalty) for harmful behaviour (crime/murder). There are no longer consequences for breaking the marriage contract in Australia because of the introduction of a no fault divorce, and lawyers and the wedding businesses are making massive amount of money out of a breakdown of a marriage or a wedding ceremony and these practices are both harmful to the relationship between husband and wife.

            A deregulated civil registered marriage practice in Australian make no sense to any intelligent Australian so they will separate from this practice in order to defend, maintain, support and protect their “one flesh” marriage. I won’t be tricked into believing that a legal state marriage certificate for a public wedding ceremony is my “one flesh” marriage nor will I believe any government authority can claim that a civil registered marriage is good for married couples. A civil registered marriage practice is good for children and society because it can detect, prevent and criminalise harmful behaviours and practices which married couples are included in such as marital rape, domestic and family violence, child abuse etc. My local council doesn’t get me to register my cat and dog because it is good for people to own pets or that my animals are good for people even if these statements are true. The council forces me to purchase registration every year in case my pets cause any harm to others and the community. The yearly registration certificate ensures that I understand my legal responsibility as a pet owner to abide by the current regulations which the council has established. I believe that the Australian governments (federal, state and local) have all failed to explain the real meaning of laws in Australia and they have particularly failed the next generation of children in telling them the truth about laws. I am not surprised by the “Thugs of Melbourne” attitude to crime because detention is no punishment for crime when they can benefit from $40 per week for good behaviour. Why would I bother being a qualified driver and register my car if the government didn’t care if my children could drive both as an unqualified driver in an unregistered car. Australian laws need to make sense for the benefit of all in our society not for a few. The idea that the word “homosexual” is the same as “heterosexual” so both can be married is like saying, “stones are the same as marbles so these can be used to play a marble game.”

            I thought Australians were smart until I have read the misleading and dishonest stories about “marriage equality.” A legal same-sex marriage can’t be discriminated from a “Harlot marriage” as it is only about the person not the sex. The idea you can’t control who you fall in love with means you can control the length of time this love will last nor the type of love you will experience. I am sure the Australian courts can handle these person-centered marriages in a no fault divorce especially when all “one flesh” marriages have separated from a deregulated civil registered marriage practice.

          • Michael

            Janine,
            Thanks for your kind words; but thanks for all your comments too, and for freely sharing your insight and wisdom (which often remind me of Elisha’s request, 2 Kings 2:9). I’m so glad AMF allows people to speak their minds freely, as they could easily say to me, clear off and start your own website; this is Australian Marriage Forum, not Australian Michael Forum.

            Government registration of anything, is not so much for the benefit of those registered, but to provide a standard for the unregistered to follow and aspire to. Civil marriage registration of genuine marriage wasn’t done for the benefit of the couple (man and woman), who don’t need a government certificate to be able to call themselves married. Civil marriage registration of genuine marriage was done to benefit the couple’s children and the wider society by providing an accurate, publicly accesible record of genealogy, descent and inheritance, apart from family Bibles and church records. The very idea of ‘descent’ recognises that only a man a woman can be married, as only a man a woman can have descendants.

            Perhaps “sex workers” will start a campaign to achieve “career equality”, which will finally eliminate discrimination in employment on the basis of sexuality, simply by eliminating the distinction between employment and sexuality. Your sexuality can’t be a barrier to your career, when your sexuality is your career. Pephaps the industry peak body, the Scarlet Alliance, will campaign for amendments to the Anti-Discrimination Act to punish people who use words like harlot, whore, slut, tart, gigolo, and pimp. This will allow “sex workers” and their clients to acheive full personhood, which is the only criterion needed for marriage, according to Senator Dean Smith.

            I too thought Australians were smart until I read articles and letters in newspapers simply repeating LGBTIQA+ propaganda. The LGBTIQA+ dictators are surely laughing their heads off behind their backs at the gullible goverment and sycophantic media who fall all over themselves to do their bidding.

            I really enjoyed your comment about the rocks and the marbles, as it perfectly describes the current situation. “Marriage equality” supporters, who believe that a man can be another man’s wife, have clearly lost their marbles, and replaced them with rocks in their heads. As the saying goes, some people are so open-minded, their brains have fallen out.

            Still, millions of Australians, including No voters, are happy to let the government tell them when to get out of bed in the morning. Surely people would have resisted, if the government had said, you must get up one hour earlier. So “daylight savings” campaigners acheived their goal of mind control of the entire population by making people lie to themselves about what time it is. “Daylight saving” was a practice run for “same-sex marriage”, as both have absolutely no support from science or the Bible. I’m surprised they haven’t rebranded “daylight saving” as “time equality”. God created and ordained the relative movements of sun and the earth, which define the time of day; man cannot change this. God created a man and a woman, and ordained their one-flesh marriage, which pro-creates new life and natural families. In secular and scientific terms, astronomy shows us what time it is; anthropology shows us universal practise of men marrying women, and women marrying men; biology shows us where children come from. Legislation should be based on observation.

  2. Thank you both for your input on this forum,
    I haven’t much more to say for now.

    Just this: same sex marriage is nothing but a paper wedding ring. A mere certificate.
    .
    In the words of Neil Diamond:

    “I’ve had it to here
    Bein’ where love’s a small word
    Part-time thing, paper ring
    I know it’s been done
    Havin’ one girl who’ll love me
    Right or wrong, weak or strong …”

    Solitary Man

    • Mikel,

      “A same-sex marriage is nothing but a paper wedding ring. A mere certificate.” They’ll make multiple copies and then they’ll pass the love around just like sex workers are in the love business for financial benefits and they pass their love around with clients. The “Harlot marriage” accepts all sexualities and genders, and it really will be a paper wedding ring and a mere certificate for any legitimate marriage between a sex worker and their client. Australian laws are about detection, prevention and criminalisation of harmful behaviours and practices in order to protect the public and society from harm. Australians would consider a “Harlot marriage” to be a “sham marriage but people are no longer allowed to discriminate against a sex worker and their client as they can have children, and people get married for the person and not for the sex. A legitimate marriage between a sex worker and client would legitimise their relationship as equal to a “one flesh” marriage or traditional marriage and then they will be no-longer treated as second-class citizens. The people who identify with LGBTIAQ better come up with better ideas and theories because the “Harlot marriage” trumps them.

      • Michael

        Janine, Mikel,
        The sex worker and the client are a good example of “any two people” who can marry. The sex worker and the client can easily fulfill all requirements for civil marriage and legal divorce, as these two people can easily obtain a legal divorce by demonstrating an “irretrievable breakdown”. Once the fee for the “adult service” is paid, the love and commitment has irretrievably broken down.

        Plus, once sex workers achieve marriage equality, they’ll no longer have to pay income tax nor collect GST for the government, as the client’s fee for “adult services” is simply a matter of giving some money to one’s spouse.

        Back in 2012, the “executive assistant” to then-Tasmanian Greens leader Nick McKim MP (now a Senator), wrote to me saying “same-sex marriage” would be good for society, as “more people would be marrying”. “Whoring marriage” runs rings around “same-sex marriage”, because sex workers get married several times a day.

        • Michael,

          You’re so good with words that your comments above brought tears to my eyes. What would our Australian federal parliament do with a minority, vulnerable group of people who created an idea that the sun should be called the moon? This minority group’s mind-set could demand that people should no longer discriminate the greater light of the day from the lesser light of the night, and the word “moon” would mean all light including the sun. This is the problem with the civil right to self-determination as they can go against the objective truth including the laws of nature by claiming falsely discrimination and mistreatment. The Australian federal parliament believes in the right for self-determination for all Australians free from discrimination and mistreatment, so would they create laws which forced Australians to go against their moral conscience? It is extremely hard to ignore the objective truth including the laws of nature such as sunlight is different to moonlight and the scientific evidence shows that the moon doesn’t have any real light of its own because it is the reflection of light from the sun on the moon which creates moonlight. Therefore, the self-determination of a minority group for a “same-sex marriage” goes against the objective truth on marriage and the laws of nature including sexual intercourse between husband and wife as they can naturally procreate, nurture and raise new-life. The meaning of the word “marriage” has always been a faithful (exclusive) sexual relationship between one man and one woman for life for the purpose of procreation, nurturing and raising new-life. Same-sex partners have never been qualified for a marriage relationship as they’ve never met this basic criteria of a marriage relationship. This isn’t discrimination nor mistreatment because the word “marriage” has to change in order to include same-sex partners which means the original meaning of the word no longer exist like the word “sun” would no longer exist if the word “moon” included the sun. The idea that people could be punished for discriminating the difference between sunlight and moonlight seems crazy, but in a self-determination world where the thought police doesn’t allow for freedom of speech then a false idea of light would be enforced by the state.

          A confused patient who wants to get into bed with the men is not discriminated nor mistreated when the registered nurse doesn’t allow the patient’s right to self-determination. The men have rights to their own self-determination and a confused status of the patient means they’re not responsible for their self-determination so a registered nurse needs to protect them from harm. The idea that legal consensus sexual relationship doesn’t harm the public and society despite evidence of harmful homosexual behaviours and relationship problems but the Australian laws have accepted consensual homosexual behaviour as a private act for harm minimisation. It will be interesting to find out the result of the Marriage survey but the fight for the real truth about marriage goes on.

          • Michael

            Janine,
            Thanks for your kind words. Australian parliament is about legalise civil marriage registration between “any two people”. This will eliminate discrimination between the human bodies of man and woman. Clearly, parliament should also act to eliminate discrimination between the celestial bodies of sun and moon. This will have support from progressive churches, as the hymn “Praise, my soul” says, “sun and moon bow down before him”, so the Bible clearly teaches they’re the same thing. Australians have just voted to end discrimination. The outdated notion that the sun gives more light than the moon in clearly opposed to the progressive ideal of “lunar equality”. These things — B-) — are now called moon-glasses. Only a lunaphobe would call them by that bigoted term, sun-glasses.

            Yes (as in the ordinary sense of the word), this sounds crazy, but is it really? The Australian parliament continues to make laws which blot out the light of the world, Jesus Christ. Parliament makes laws which blot out the light of reason. So why not make a law which blots out the light of the sun?

            Yes (as in the LGBTIQA+ sense) voters need to understand that laws need to based on facts, not feelings. If 61% of respondents felt that “light is light”, would Mr Turbull have promised “lunar equality” by Christmas?

            As John Locke (1632-1704) wrote in his Essay Concerning Human Understanding (4.19.13):–

            Light, true light, in the mind is, or can be, nothing else but the evidence of the truth of any proposition; and if it be not a self-evident proposition, all the light it has, or can have, is from the clearness and validity of those proofs upon which it is received.

            Public figures openly reject the light of reason, and mock the light of the world. In Tasmania, David Walsh the blasphemer shines gigantic lights up at the sky during his midwinter festival, to blot out the glory of God in the heavens, and replace it with his own, so that Tasmanians can worship their new god, who gives them all the things they enjoy. Then there was his absolutely disgusting bull performance, which should never have seen the light of day, for which Mr Walsh brought in an overseas pervert more depraved than himself. And some church leaders praised him for “exploring the theme of sacrifice”! Mr Walsh’s midwinter festival is designed to celebrate darkness, not light. Mr Walsh really needs to ensure that he won’t be celebrating darkness for all eternity.

          • Michael

            (Sorry for the double post 😐 Surely any two comments can be married! ⬆⬇)

        • Michael

          The Australian parliament is about legalise civil marriage registration between “any two people”. This will eliminate discrimination between the human bodies of man and woman. Clearly, parliament should also act to eliminate discrimination between the celestial bodies of sun and moon. This will have support from progressive churches, as the hymn “Praise, my soul” says, “sun and moon bow down before him”, so the Bible clearly teaches they’re the same thing. Australians have just voted to end discrimination. The outdated notion that the sun gives more light than the moon in clearly opposed to the progressive ideal of “lunar equality”. These things — 😎 — are now called moon-glasses. Only a lunaphobe would call them by that bigoted term, sun-glasses.

          Yes (as in the ordinary sense of the word), this sounds crazy, but is it really? The Australian parliament continues to make laws which blot out the light of the world, Jesus Christ. Parliament makes laws which blot out the light of reason. So why not make a law which blots out the light of the sun?

          Yes (as in the LGBTIQA+ sense) voters need to understand that laws need to based on facts, not feelings. If 61% of respondents felt that “light is light”, would Mr Turnbull have promised “lunar equality” by Christmas?

          As John Locke (1632-1704) wrote in his Essay Concerning Human Understanding (4.19.13):–

          Light, true light, in the mind is, or can be, nothing else but the evidence of the truth of any proposition; and if it be not a self-evident proposition, all the light it has, or can have, is from the clearness and validity of those proofs upon which it is received.

          Public figures openly reject the light of reason, and mock the light of the world. In Tasmania, David Walsh the blasphemer shines gigantic lights up at the sky during his midwinter festival, to blot out the glory of God in the heavens, and replace it with his own, so that Tasmanians can worship their new god, who gives them all the things they enjoy. Then there was his absolutely disgusting bull performance, which should never have seen the light of day, for which Mr Walsh brought in an overseas pervert more depraved than himself. And some church leaders praised him for “exploring the theme of sacrifice”! Mr Walsh’s midwinter festival is designed to celebrate darkness, not light. Mr Walsh really needs to ensure that he won’t be celebrating darkness for all eternity.

          • Michael,

            Your comment about “any two comments can marry” showed evidence that 2 of the same comments can’t marry (unite as one) as the 2nd copy was only a repeat of the first comment which isn’t the same as 2 different comments as these can marry (unite as one) to give a story. I think your quite funny with your comments as your so good with words.

          • Michael

            Janine,
            My last comment went a bit awry, as I was wearing my 😎 sun-glasses moon-glasses when posting it. And why ever not? Yesterday, I’m sure I heard the ABC radio newsreader say, “Hobart: 15℃ overnight and sunny”.

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